Re: Terrorist attack in Woolwich SE London

by Jack Sat May 25, 2013 2:19 am

I find this poor families raw pain and emotion very difficult to watch.
It's very painful and upsetting.
I'm not sure it should keep being repeated over and over on the news.
Their grief should be private not being used by the media to get the rest of us angrier by the day cos that's what's happening.

by **Ali** Sat May 25, 2013 3:12 am

Jack wrote:I find this poor families raw pain and emotion very difficult to watch.
It's very painful and upsetting.
I'm not sure it should keep being repeated over and over on the news.
Their grief should be private not being used by the media to get the rest of us angrier by the day cos that's what's happening.

You've got to wonder if that is the medias intention Jack.

by Jack Sat May 25, 2013 3:19 am

Ali wrote:
Jack wrote:I find this poor families raw pain and emotion very difficult to watch.
It's very painful and upsetting.
I'm not sure it should keep being repeated over and over on the news.
Their grief should be private not being used by the media to get the rest of us angrier by the day cos that's what's happening.

You've got to wonder if that is the medias intention Jack.

Seems to have been for a few years now.
911 Changed it all right across the world.There was no problem with the Muslim communities that I can recall.
Then the bullshit ... it was Saudis so lets invade Afghanistan and Iraq on a pile of lies the media pumped out daily.
The world is becoming more confusing by the day.

by **Ali** Sat May 25, 2013 3:26 am

Jack wrote:
Ali wrote:
Jack wrote:I find this poor families raw pain and emotion very difficult to watch.
It's very painful and upsetting.
I'm not sure it should keep being repeated over and over on the news.
Their grief should be private not being used by the media to get the rest of us angrier by the day cos that's what's happening.

You've got to wonder if that is the medias intention Jack.
Seems to have been for a few years now.
911 Changed it all right across the world.There was no problem with the Muslim communities that I can recall.
Then the bullshit ... it was Saudis so lets invade Afghanistan and Iraq on a pile of lies the media pumped out daily.
The world is becoming more confusing by the day.

The media are trying to brainwash us Jack and yeah, I don't recall much issue with Muslim communities prior to 9/11 either.

I was a bit confused this morning when i read that this soldiers girlfriend is flying back from Afghanistan where she is serving. I thought he was married.

by Jack Sat May 25, 2013 3:28 am

Ali wrote:
Jack wrote:
Ali wrote:
Jack wrote:I find this poor families raw pain and emotion very difficult to watch.
It's very painful and upsetting.
I'm not sure it should keep being repeated over and over on the news.
Their grief should be private not being used by the media to get the rest of us angrier by the day cos that's what's happening.

You've got to wonder if that is the medias intention Jack.
Seems to have been for a few years now.
911 Changed it all right across the world.There was no problem with the Muslim communities that I can recall.
Then the bullshit ... it was Saudis so lets invade Afghanistan and Iraq on a pile of lies the media pumped out daily.
The world is becoming more confusing by the day.

The media are trying to brainwash us Jack and yeah, I don't recall much issue with Muslim communities prior to 9/11 either.

I was a bit confused this morning when i read that this soldiers girlfriend is flying back from Afghanistan where she is serving. I thought he was married.

I thought he was too.
In fact I thought that was his wife on the telly.

by **Ali** Sat May 25, 2013 3:37 am

Jack wrote:
Ali wrote:
Jack wrote:
Ali wrote:
Jack wrote:I find this poor families raw pain and emotion very difficult to watch.
It's very painful and upsetting.
I'm not sure it should keep being repeated over and over on the news.
Their grief should be private not being used by the media to get the rest of us angrier by the day cos that's what's happening.

You've got to wonder if that is the medias intention Jack.
Seems to have been for a few years now.
911 Changed it all right across the world.There was no problem with the Muslim communities that I can recall.
Then the bullshit ... it was Saudis so lets invade Afghanistan and Iraq on a pile of lies the media pumped out daily.
The world is becoming more confusing by the day.

The media are trying to brainwash us Jack and yeah, I don't recall much issue with Muslim communities prior to 9/11 either.

I was a bit confused this morning when i read that this soldiers girlfriend is flying back from Afghanistan where she is serving. I thought he was married.
I thought he was too.
In fact I thought that was his wife on the telly.

I'm not actually watching it tbh, I don't think I need to to have an understanding of how they are feeling.

I think it's bloody appalling though that the papers have put images of his body lying in the road the way they have. Do his family really need to see that image forevermore.

by **Snookerballs** Sat May 25, 2013 3:51 am

Ali wrote:
Jack wrote:
Ali wrote:

The media are trying to brainwash us Jack and yeah, I don't recall much issue with Muslim communities prior to 9/11 either.

I was a bit confused this morning when i read that this soldiers girlfriend is flying back from Afghanistan where she is serving. I thought he was married.
I thought he was too.
In fact I thought that was his wife on the telly.

I'm not actually watching it tbh, I don't think I need to to have an understanding of how they are feeling.

I think it's bloody appalling though that the papers have put images of his body lying in the road the way they have. Do his family really need to see that image forevermore.

It is for more impact, and as said before it helps to brainwash the public in the campaign against all Muslims

I thought he was married, there have been pictures of him with his bride in the news media, also he had a two year old boy.

by **vills** Sat May 25, 2013 3:58 am

The govt will take the opportunity to bring in more surveillance and control,
they love this kind of thing.

by **Ali** Sat May 25, 2013 4:04 am

Snookerballs wrote:
Ali wrote:
Jack wrote:
Ali wrote:

The media are trying to brainwash us Jack and yeah, I don't recall much issue with Muslim communities prior to 9/11 either.

I was a bit confused this morning when i read that this soldiers girlfriend is flying back from Afghanistan where she is serving. I thought he was married.
I thought he was too.
In fact I thought that was his wife on the telly.

I'm not actually watching it tbh, I don't think I need to to have an understanding of how they are feeling.

I think it's bloody appalling though that the papers have put images of his body lying in the road the way they have. Do his family really need to see that image forevermore.

It is for more impact, and as said before it helps to brainwash the public in the campaign against all Muslims

I thought he was married, there have been pictures of him with his bride in the news media, also he had a two year old boy.

well according to the Sun newspaper his girlfriend was flying back from Afghanistan today Dunno

by **vills** Sat May 25, 2013 4:12 am

He could have a wife and a girlfriend.

by **Ali** Sat May 25, 2013 4:16 am

vills wrote:He could have a wife and a girlfriend.

He could but I can't imagine why the paper would want to put that on the front page to be read by the family of a man just murdered by religious nutjobs Dunno

by Mama kaz Sat May 25, 2013 4:55 am

vills wrote:He could have a wife and a girlfriend.

Ouch if they didn't know that small detail Shocked

by Jack Sat May 25, 2013 5:17 am

vills wrote:The govt will take the opportunity to bring in more surveillance and control,
they love this kind of thing.

Talk all over the radio about bringing in the snoopers charter where the powers that be get to know all our texts emails internet activity etc.
There is no way it could have stopped this event.

by **Ali** Sat May 25, 2013 5:55 am

Jack wrote:
vills wrote:The govt will take the opportunity to bring in more surveillance and control,
they love this kind of thing.
Talk all over the radio about bringing in the snoopers charter where the powers that be get to know all our texts emails internet activity etc.
There is no way it could have stopped this event.

This came completely out of the blue I think.

by **NAA** Sat May 25, 2013 6:15 am

If you allow radical hate mongering clerics in, they will practice their craft of twisting minds. If you have ghettos of Muslims not integrating, with their own courts, which are in themselves a flagship of fundamentalist Islam, you are nurturing radical Islam. If you allow religious schools who operate on and are funded by Wahhabi Islam, the teachings are not moderate. So no, not out of the blue at all, MI5 have thousands of potential extremists on their list, so it will not be out of the blue when and if they strike, just unmanageable due to volume and unpredictable due to the same reason.

by **Ali** Sat May 25, 2013 6:35 am

NAA wrote:If you allow radical hate mongering clerics in, they will practice their craft of twisting minds. If you have ghettos of Muslims not integrating, with their own courts, which are in themselves a flagship of fundamentalist Islam, you are nurturing radical Islam. If you allow religious schools who operate on and are funded by Wahhabi Islam, the teachings are not moderate. So no, not out of the blue at all, MI5 have thousands of potential extremists on their list, so it will not be out of the blue when and if they strike, just unmanageable due to volume and unpredictable due to the same reason.

By out of the blue, I meant I don't think there was any intelligence that it was going to happen. I said earlier I'm not surprised it happened though.

by Jack Sat May 25, 2013 7:21 am

I've made this statement so many times on forums but I'll make it again ...

This has to be the first time in history we've allowed ... in fact invited ... our enemy inside our castle walls.

Before you say it Vils ... it doesn't matter if it's our fault they are our enemies or mickys fault they are our enemies the fact is ... they are our fcuking enemies!

by **Cheyanne** Sat May 25, 2013 8:40 am

The fact that MI5 were apparently aware of these two (and others no doubt) should help us all sleep easier in our beds at night! Rolling Eyes

by **jezzi** Sat May 25, 2013 8:55 am

Jack wrote:
jezzi wrote:
Jack wrote:
Not all of us think we are progressing.
We are clever for sure but our science and technology is depleting our planet of everything we need and slowly killing us.
We are creating problems we have no idea how to solve.
If your new God is science then best of luck with your faith.

Er my statement about evolution will clearly show I have no faith.

Our technology is what is clearly showing us that there is actual facts out there that prove beyond reasonable doubt that evolution is IT.... emotion and love tries to enable us to always rise above ignorance..
I said IF your faith is science then best of luck with it.

Science equals learning. Believe it or not most scientist want to save the planet. I have NO faith in anything other than what I can do to make this world I live on,as good as I can make it to be.

by **vills** Sat May 25, 2013 8:55 am

In times of trial and economic woe
if it weren't the Muslims it's be some other group.
The Jews or the Romanians,
Or some such.

And of course it suits the rulers for the people to have a scapegoat.

by **vills** Sat May 25, 2013 8:56 am

Jack wrote:I've made this statement so many times on forums but I'll make it again ...

This has to be the first time in history we've allowed ... in fact invited ... our enemy inside our castle walls.

Before you say it Vils ... it doesn't matter if it's our fault they are our enemies or mickys fault they are our enemies the fact is ... they are our fcuking enemies!

Not my enemies.

by **vills** Sat May 25, 2013 8:58 am

Jack wrote:I've made this statement so many times on forums but I'll make it again ...

This has to be the first time in history we've allowed ... in fact invited ... our enemy inside our castle walls.

Before you say it Vils ... it doesn't matter if it's our fault they are our enemies or mickys fault they are our enemies the fact is ... they are our fcuking enemies!

We did it before at Troy!

by Jack Sat May 25, 2013 9:01 am

jezzi wrote:
Jack wrote:
jezzi wrote:
Jack wrote:
Not all of us think we are progressing.
We are clever for sure but our science and technology is depleting our planet of everything we need and slowly killing us.
We are creating problems we have no idea how to solve.
If your new God is science then best of luck with your faith.

Er my statement about evolution will clearly show I have no faith.

Our technology is what is clearly showing us that there is actual facts out there that prove beyond reasonable doubt that evolution is IT.... emotion and love tries to enable us to always rise above ignorance..
I said IF your faith is science then best of luck with it.

Science equals learning. Believe it or not most scientist want to save the planet. I have NO faith in anything other than what I can do to make this world I live on,as good as I can make it to be.

Well we are rapidly depleting the planet of what we need and we're even managing to mess up the atmosphere and the weather and kill the oceans.
Our science seems very double edged to me and I don't have much faith in it.
A lot of the time the science is spot on but then the greed trumps the science.
The science right now is showing why and how we must stop pumping carbon into the atmosphere if we want to sustain a good quality of life on a healthy and sustainable planet but greed is getting in the way. That greed and selfishness to me is based on a lack of spirituality.

by Jack Sat May 25, 2013 9:02 am

vills wrote:
Jack wrote:I've made this statement so many times on forums but I'll make it again ...

This has to be the first time in history we've allowed ... in fact invited ... our enemy inside our castle walls.

Before you say it Vils ... it doesn't matter if it's our fault they are our enemies or mickys fault they are our enemies the fact is ... they are our fcuking enemies!

We did it before at Troy!

That was shipping the enemy in in secret ... very different story.

by **jezzi** Sat May 25, 2013 9:23 am

vills wrote:In times of trial and economic woe
if it weren't the Muslims it's be some other group.
The Jews or the Romanians,
Or some such.

And of course it suits the rulers for the people to have a scapegoat.

North korea is a fine example of that.

One can only hope the brainwashed will one day realise there really isn't a God and that they're fighting for fcuk all

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