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Re: Ding Dong The Witch is Dead.

Post by Admin on Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:02 am

Dimples wrote:
Henry wrote:
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Henry wrote:I think Blair might be vilified for decades. Dunno

Well, he probably ought to be - but so far, he hasn't been. I wonder why that should be...? whistle

I vilify him and always have. Dunno

Feel free to join me. Smile

Only time will tell whether Tony Blair is ultimately regarded in a similar vein.

Unlikely in the UK, people in Britain don't much care about dead Arabs.

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Re: Ding Dong The Witch is Dead.

Post by Admin on Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:09 am

Dimples wrote:
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Henry wrote:I think Blair might be vilified for decades. Dunno

Well, he probably ought to be - but so far, he hasn't been. I wonder why that should be...? whistle

Your feminist angle on this is weak. Thatcher was and is hated for what she did, not because of her gender. Moreover her selection of an all male cabinet (just one powerless female) was hardly a fine example for budding womanhood now, was it?

What I said was that she was doubly villifed because of it - not solely. I have no doubt that she would still be disliked for the policies alone but I do believe that this antipathy has been magnified because of her being a woman.

I didn't suggest that she was a particular figurehead for the cause of women in politics - because she wasn't - and I think she much preferred to have men in her cabinet.... with her in charge.

Although she was a powerful woman, she was not really a feminist but I just don't think that some people could reconcile a woman taking such a hard line in the cut and thrust of politics. They can now... but not then. The only other woman who even came close was Barbara Castle.

On the other hand it can be argued that she got away with so much precisely because she was a woman. If I hear one more accolade about her courage in a man's world I think I'll be sick.

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Re: Ding Dong The Witch is Dead.

Post by Mama kaz on Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:35 pm

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vills wrote:There was no stranglehold.
That's tory mythology.

The workers were able to fight their corner.
Now they aren't.

Yes there was. the country was on its knees and previous PMs of either party were unable or unwilling to stop it. That situation could not go on indefinitely.

I don't usually voice my opinion on politics but this is how I feel, no pm at that time could or would have been 'popular'
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Re: Ding Dong The Witch is Dead.

Post by Guest on Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:29 pm

A cartoon in the Observer back in Thatchers reign by a guy who signed himself Trog had a split picture.
One picture was of a destitute elderly couple sitting in the rain in the North of England.
The other was a young couple partying and toasting with champers in the south.
The speech buble above the old couple said ... you've got your prime minister when do we get ours.
That was how severe the divide was.
The north had ships being built on river estuaries there were working mines steel mills everywhere large engineering factories massive textile industries chemicals all manner of work all swept away in an instant.
The machinery in the steel works was installed in Edwardian times.
The textile machinery in Victorian times much of the engineering stuff was old too.
The world was modernising.
Britain wasn't.
The British miners out did all of western and eastern Europe on a per man per tonnage production basis but every country ... especially Poland and Germany subsidized their mines to keep men in work.
To the tune of around a hundred quid a ton ... three quid a ton here.
The British miners were working the hardest but couldn't compete with such subsidies.
The business men had got used to building palaces over the last couple of hundred years off the sweat of the common man and putting bugger all back so we lost our competetive edge.
The unions had grown powerful trying to force companies to invest in men and infrastucture.
Of course the workers got the blame for the country being in a mess as usual.
Same then as now.
Now it's people on benefits sick people immigrants ... the finger never points to the true culprits of this nations misery.
Have you never had that feeling as your flying back into this country that your entering rip off Britain?

Government and unions had bugger all to do with the investment class putting nowt back into the pot for a hundred years.

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Re: Ding Dong The Witch is Dead.

Post by Admin on Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:58 pm

The country is "on its knees" now, in part because of financial deregulation set in train by Thatcher. I can't quite see the point you are making.

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